{"id":2246,"date":"2017-04-07T13:32:25","date_gmt":"2017-04-07T11:32:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.samita.be\/?p=2246"},"modified":"2017-04-08T12:04:27","modified_gmt":"2017-04-08T10:04:27","slug":"the-story-of-mae-chee-kaew","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.samita.be\/en\/2017\/04\/07\/the-story-of-mae-chee-kaew\/","title":{"rendered":"The Story of Mae Chee Kaew"},"content":{"rendered":"

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“If you neglect to cultivate your inherent mindfulness and wisdom, striving only half-heartedly, the obstacles in your path will multiply until they block all sight of the way, leaving the end of the road forever in darkness.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Mae Chee Kaew (1901 – 1991)<\/p>\n

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There are many great monks in the Thai Forest tradition, some of them widely regarded as arahants. But the story of this woman is by far not as well known as those of the monks! And yet it is worth telling\u2014a story about a difficult struggle and great achievements.<\/p>\n

Two years ago Barbara Yen published this article<\/a> on Gotami Vihara Society Malaysia’s website about the life and spiritual practise of Mae Chee Kaew in 20th century Thailand.<\/p>\n

There is also a book<\/a> telling her story,\u00a0published by Forest Dhamma Monastery. (Select “Mae Chee Kaew” in the list at the left; you can download the book in different formats.)<\/p>\n

In fact, there is a somewhat ambiguous background to this book: Part of the reason why it has\u00a0been published was\u00a0to show that Bhikkhun\u012b ordination is not necessary for a woman to become an arahant.<\/p>\n

Sure, Kaew was “only” a Mae Chee, and she practised well and achieved a lot; and reading her story is indeed very inspiring.\u00a0But is this really a reason to deny full ordination to women?<\/p>\n

First:<\/strong> There are not many Mae Chees who are as fortunate as Mae Chee Kaew to find sufficiently supportive conditions for their practise. Unlike monks, Mae Chees in Thailand have to live on their own funds and don’t receive any public support. If they don’t have enough money on their own\u00a0they need to find a private sponsor. And in many places they are expected to cook and clean for the monks and don’t always have the opportunity to study and practise themselves.<\/p>\n

Bhikkhu An\u0101layo describes this situation\u00a0in his article “The Four Assemblies and Therav\u0101da Buddhism”<\/a>:<\/p>\n

“Comparable nun traditions in Myanmar are the thila shins and in Sri Lanka the dasasil m\u0101t\u0101s. In spite of some local differences, these share with the mae chis the basic problem of being situated in an ambivalent position between laity and monastics. There can be little doubt that lack of recognition of their monastic status continues to be a problem. This in turn makes it rather difficult for them to live up to the expectation voiced in the Mah\u0101parinibb\u0101na-sutta as cited earlier.” (This is: “This passage makes it unmistakably clear that an essential foundation for the Buddha\u2019s mission of teaching the Dharma was that bhikkhus as well as bhikkhun\u012bs, and male as well as female lay disciples, are wise and well-trained, and that they are also self-confident.”)<\/em><\/p>\n

And second:<\/strong> The question whether there are or aren’t Bhikkhun\u012bs in a country like Thailand, or anywhere in the world, also has a huge\u00a0relevance for other women. This became even more obvious\u00a0to me when hearing a story Ayya Tathaaloka related\u00a0in a talk<\/a> she recently gave in Sri Lanka, mentioning Mae Chee Kaew without mentioning her name:<\/p>\n

“The first time that I was there [in Thailand], for the vast majority of monastics, Venerable Bhikkhus, and also for the laypeople, Up\u0101sakas and Up\u0101sikas, they had never seen or met a Bhikkhun\u012b before. … so many people at the village level who had never seen a Bhikkhun\u012b before in their lives, and so many women who had never had the chance to offer something personally by hand to a fully ordained member of the Buddha\u2019s Sangha. In Thai society to offer something directly by hand is considered to be very meritorious, but no woman is allowed to do that to a Bhikkhu. But they understood quite quickly: With a Bhikkhun\u012b they can do that. So there were some women both young and old who then came even with tears streaming down their faces for the first opportunity to be able to offer something by hand and feel that it was a fully legitimate offering. … So you might say: But Thailand has many white robed nuns\u2014why would people feel like that? But for people it made a big difference. Sometimes in fact even some of the nuns are so dedicated and virtuous, even … the late most Venerable Luang Por Maha Boowa …\u00a0said one of his disciples had become a Bhikkhun\u012b arahant, robed in white though. People even though they built a stupa, still could not feel, even she became an arahant, still could not feel that she was completely legitimate. Because of not being able to be fully ordained or fully accepted\u2014upasampada means to be fully accepted into the Sangha. So this is a bit of a distortion that then existed in Therav\u0101da Buddhism. I think for the arahant we should be able to wholeheartedly pay our full respect without any doubt in our mind.”<\/em><\/p>\n

And here is another aspect the presence of Bhikkhun\u012bs in society can have, mentioned by Bhante Sujato in this thread<\/a> on SuttaCentral’s discussion forum “Discuss & Discover”:<\/p>\n

“There is a record of a very frank conversation among senior monks in Bangkok regarding ordination, and this is one of the major issues. The problem they expressed is that, given that there are estimated to be twice as many sex workers as monks in Thailand, if bhikkhun\u012b ordination were to be available, these women and girls would soon find they had other options, and would join the Sangha in large numbers.<\/em><\/p>\n

This would mean that there would likely be soon more nuns than monks in Thailand; and they pointed a worrying finger at the situation here in Taiwan as an example of what can happen when things get out of hand, with four times as many nuns as monks.<\/em><\/p>\n

The notion that it would be a good thing for women to have options other than sex work was not a part of the conversation.”<\/em><\/p>\n

Enjoy letting yourself be inspired by Mae Chee Kaew’s story, and\u00a0please don’t forget that in order for Buddhism to be complete, we need the Four Assemblies!<\/strong><\/p>\n

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